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04 May 2008 @ 02:18 pm
Dirty Realism  
Catching up on recent unread editions of the Washington Post Book World, I came across an interview with Tobias Wolff which accompanied the review of his new collection, Our Story Begins: New and Selected Stories. As is sometimes the case, I found the questions to be as interesting as the answers.

Interviewer Daniel Asa Rose asked Wolff the following in the April 13 issue:

I'll bet you're sick of the term "dirty realism"—first applied to you and fellow writers Raymond Carver, Richard Ford et. al., by Bill Buford in Granta in 1983.


When Wolff replies that he doesn't know what that term means, the interviewer explains:

To me it means martini drinkers writing about beer drinkers: the fascination certain middle-class authors have for working-class characters.


I was glad to see that Wolff had never heard of the term, since I had never heard of the term. I understood the school of writing practiced by Carver, Jayne Anne Philips, and others to simply be referred to as "minimalism."

Need I be embarrassed by this hole in my knowledge? Raise your hand if you're also unaware of this literary distinction.

Or am I the only one?
 
 
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Looking for a good word[info]fixnwrtr on May 4th, 2008 08:22 pm (UTC)
I had no idea and this is the first time I've heard the term, and I read a lot of reviews and books.
Michael Hemmingson[info]avantpop on May 4th, 2008 09:14 pm (UTC)
Make it Dirty, Ray
Sometime late summer/early fall, The Borgo Press will publish my monograph THE DIRTY REALIST DUO - CHARLES BUKOWSKI AND RAYMOND CARVER ON THE AESTHETICS OF THE UGLY, No. 70 in their Milford Series of Popular Writers.
scottedelman[info]scottedelman on May 5th, 2008 12:38 am (UTC)
Re: Make it Dirty, Ray
I'll look out for it. I obviously haven't been spending enough time in academia!
John Crowley[info]crowleycrow on May 4th, 2008 11:48 pm (UTC)
I think I've heard it in relation to Frederick Barthelme. But the definition given has a perfect French cliche to name it and needs no ad-hoc English one: nostalgie de la boue.
Lady Euthanasia[info]ladyeuthanasia on May 5th, 2008 12:07 am (UTC)

Nostalgie de la boue! C'est parfait!

I'd never heard of "dirty realism" but I immediately thought it was referring to something just North of noir, if that makes sense.
~twilight~[info]_twilight_ on May 5th, 2008 12:26 am (UTC)
That has nothing to do with olive brine.
;)
maryturzillo[info]maryturzillo on May 5th, 2008 01:35 am (UTC)
An odd couple!
I would never have thought of Bukowski and Carver in the same category -- fascinating. I will definitely be looking for the Milford monograph.
Chris: hearse - before[info]mckitterick on May 5th, 2008 01:11 pm (UTC)
Haven't heard the term much, but I understand it to be a form of minimalism, sometimes called, "grit lit." I like that term.
(Anonymous) on May 7th, 2008 11:01 pm (UTC)
thank you
nice work, guy