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21 July 2008 @ 09:32 am
Readercon 2008: Sunday  
Even though Sunday was one of the shorter days at Readercon, it was actually the busiest day for my personal programing.

Once I checked out of the hotel and parked my bag, I went to my 10:00 a.m. panel, "I'm Not Terse, I'm Just Edited That Way," which in addition to me featured Barry Malzberg, Lucy Corin, Richard Chwedyk, and Ron Drummond. Kathryn Morrow acted as moderator, and I made it difficult for her to maintain order. Our mandate was to discuss the controversial relationship between writer Raymond Carver and editor Gordon Lish, the man who made his career. The panel description also tossed out the name of Robert Heinlein, who many feel became uneditable as he became more successful.

I was seated next to our moderator, and I'm afraid that when I got a chance to speak, the first panelist to do so, I began with something of a rant. I am very passionate about Carver, and so I'm afraid that it couldn't be helped.

A decade or so ago, when the New York Times published in its Sunday magazine section its shocking article revealing the true nature of the Lish/Carver relationship, my understanding of the arc of Carver's life changed completely. I'd always thought that the reason he'd eventually began publishing richer, deeper stories was because the love of a good woman had rescued him from his alcoholism. Instead, it seemed that the real reason his writing improved was because he'd finally developed the strength to throw off the shackles of his editor.

Take the stories "The Bath" and "A Small Good Thing." It was presented to the world that the latter story was a revision of the former one, that Carver had simply decided to revisit the theme and expand his story. But the latter was not a revision, but rather a de-Lishifying, a removal of the edits, a return to the warmth which had always been there but which Lish could not abide. (I could go on—believe me, I could go on—but I'll shut up here for now and point you to my earlier post on Carver, which quotes some of the Lish/Carver correspondence.

By this point, I may very well may have been frothing at the mouth, and had fight hard to suppress myself to avoid stealing all of the panel's time. I hate microphone hogs, and didn't want to find myself becoming one of them. But when it came to Carver, I couldn't control myself.

Barry Malzberg, who was the only one there to have been personally edited by Lish, was the next to speak (when I finally yielded the floor, that is), and he rose to the man's defense. Lish may not have done what was best for the writer, he said, but he did what was best for the magazine. To an editor, what was most important was the consistency of the magazine's voice, and Lish protected that. Barry shared that Lish had edited one of his submissions for Esquire, then sent it back, harshly cut and rearranged, with perhaps 30% of the story gone. Lish asked him to retype it and resubmit it, with the hopes that Lish could get the story past the powers that be. Which Barry did, only to have the story bounced anyway. Barry subsequently sold the story to F&SF (I think), and claimed that it was a better story for Lish's hand.

I contrasted Lish with Horace Gold, who also ruled with a dictatorial hand, and who nearly destroyed "Flowers for Algernon" with his insistence on a happy ending. So not all dictators are equal. All Lish was, I said, was Gold plus talent.

As for me, I'd personally rather publish a good story that says what I intended it to say than a great story that says the opposite of what I'd intended. I'd rather be hated for what I am than loved for what I am not.

The one thing I failed to say, which comes to mind now, is an old quote which I've heard attributed to Tony Bennett, which goes something like this—what they called my flaws when I was young, they call my style now that I'm older and successful. I'd hate for an editor to make a writer more palatable by removing that uniqueness.

I should add that I don't want any of the editors out there to think I'm dismissing those good editors who are helping writers achieve their visions and to say what they want to say. My problem is with those editors who change the point of their writers' stories until they say the opposite of what was originally intended.

I could go on for thousands more words about Carver ... but I won't. (And forgive me for not quoting Ron,i, and Lucy as well, for they certainly also had important things to say on the matter—but how much of this subject do I dare to inflict upon you?)



Immediately after that panel, I read my short story "A Very Private Tour of a Very Public Museum," which will be out in two months in the Summer 2008 issue of Postscripts magazine. I was pleased to see that Val Grimm (above), who had given my last Postscripts story such a stellar review, was in attendance.

I only had an hour for lunch before the panel after that, and so rushed to the bar with Fiona Kelleghan and Rob Sawyer. We were joined there by Brett Cox and Jeanne Beckwith.

At 1:00, I participated in a panel titled "Finding Hamster Huey's Head: The Nature of the Childhood Short Story," where I was joined by Shira Daemon, Sarah Beth Durst, Louise Marley, and Ann Tonsor Zeddies. I took the position that, just as C. P. Snow had said that patriotism was only the love of the food that we ate as children (if I'm misattributing that quote, please let me know—I'd already given Carson McCullers credit for a Flannery O'Connor quote on a panel this weekend), our love of literature is nothing more than the resonances of the books we loved as children.

Paul, Deb, and I dashed off immediately at the end of my panel so we could get back to Providence in time to pick up Brownie from the dog sitter. As we drove, we gave the con a postmortem, which, no, you don't get to hear about. Once back on Poplar Street, I took a brief nap, which only ended when a cat walked up the length of my body and sat on my head.

But, as they say in the commercials, that's not all!



Ever since I started flying into and out of Providence instead of Boston to get to Readercon, the three of us have had a tradition of eating a farewell dinner at Wes' Rib House as a way of extending the con even further. Often local writers and fans join in. This year, in addition to Don and Sheila D'ammassa, Dan and Sandy Pearlman, and Mike Blake, we were joined by Pete and Nikki Crowther, who had been in the area attending Necon rather than Readercon, and who were about to vacation with Paul and Deb for four days before heading home to the UK. (That's Paul, Nikki, Deb, and Pete with me above.) It was great to get some time with Pete and Nikki, two of the nicest people in the world, whom I can't see often enough.

And now that I've posted this entry (as well as my complete set of photos), Readercon really is over. See you all next July!
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(Anonymous) on July 21st, 2008 02:28 pm (UTC)
Carver
Scott,

Hey thanks for the shout out. I didn't know you were a Carver fan but I read your earlier post and was shocked to discover that warmth mellifluosness of his later stories was his "true form." Fascinating. He has always been a hero of mine too and I also LOVE the stories you do. I really hated the Altman film Chort Cuts which I thought corrupted what was strong about Carver with what was weak about Altman--that Altman had, in fact, totally misinterpreted Carver's stories as Trailer Trash Grim.
scottedelman[info]scottedelman on July 21st, 2008 03:18 pm (UTC)
Re: Carver
I actually boycotted Short Cuts based on a pre-release interview that appeared in the New York Times in which Altman showed no appreciation for who the people in the stories really were. I felt that he completely dissed Carver, and I did not want to give him the chance to put pictures in my head.

I had to explain this to my friends again and again, since they all assumed that, based on my Carver mania, I'd be there opening day. But I've never seen it, I don't ever plan to.

BTW—which of the many people I mentioned in this entry is this? Your comment is unsigned.
(Anonymous) on July 21st, 2008 02:56 pm (UTC)
greetings from Val
I wish I'd been there to see the panel about editors.

I'm going to read up on this whole Lish thing, which based on your description is quite distressing . . . and not my understanding of what an editor is for...midwives, not plastic surgeons!

It was a pleasure to meet you, also! Not sure I'll make it to Readercon next year (for the first time in four years or so) because of Worlcon 09 responsibilities, but hope to see you there!
scottedelman[info]scottedelman on July 21st, 2008 03:21 pm (UTC)
Re: greetings from Val
Nice meeting you, too. It's nice to know that there's at least one reader who gets it!

I've been to all 19 Readercons, BTW, and it would take a true catastrophe to keep me away.
The Texas Triffid Ranch - Odd Plants and Oddities[info]txtriffidranch on July 21st, 2008 04:31 pm (UTC)
By the way, I have a slight tibia to pick with you about your comments about me at the convention. The next time someone says he's going to entertain himself by pointing behind people and screaming "Oh my God, it's Paul Riddell, AND HE'S GOT A GUN!", he'd better follow through, you know?
scottedelman: BuhZurk[info]scottedelman on July 21st, 2008 06:33 pm (UTC)
How do you know I didn't try to pull that ruse off? Seriously, man, the first person to whom I said, "Hey, I think I saw Paul Riddell in the hall outside the Meet the Pros(e) party" just looked at me and snorted. I just don't have the poker face necessary to pull these things off, and so after two tries, quickly gave up. You can blame me for being a lousy actor, but you can't blame me for not trying.
The Texas Triffid Ranch - Odd Plants and Oddities[info]txtriffidranch on July 21st, 2008 06:54 pm (UTC)
That's because you pronounced my name "Chris DeVito".
Maria Alexander: Skeptical[info]ladyeuthanasia on July 21st, 2008 05:14 pm (UTC)

The NYT rings true about Lish/Carver. Editing issues aside, not only have many artists have been known to become sober and not create worth a damn, but I can speak from experience that the love of a good woman rarely if ever saves anyone from alcoholism. Alas! :)

scottedelman: Ultraman[info]scottedelman on July 21st, 2008 06:50 pm (UTC)
Oh, I know that "he was saved by the love of a good woman" is a cliche, but it's one that I think Tess Gallagher helped promote. It's a simplistic arc for a life, but it's the arc that was being put out there. And the arc that replaced it really isn't 100% accurate either, but it does come closer, I think.
Elaine Brennan[info]elaine_brennan on July 22nd, 2008 03:56 am (UTC)
wah! not just Readercon but Wes'. I had a recent dream about dinner at Wes' -- clearly it's time for me to take myself back to Providence.
scottedelman[info]scottedelman on July 22nd, 2008 01:35 pm (UTC)
I only get to do Wes' once a year, on the way home from Readercon, with Paul and Deb and a rotating band of visitors. I should get back to Providence more often, too, but all that BBQ would be dangerous to my health!
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